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And once I became decent, the casinos asked me not to play blackjack.” Now, let's get something straight, Nevada law says that card counting is.


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Card counting itself is not illegal under Nevada gambling laws, but it is considered a felony to use devices to help count cards. The Nevada Gaming Control.


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In Canada blackjack card counting is not illegal. to a few other relative legal statutes, you can still get booted or banned form the casino for it.


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To my knowledge it is not illegal, but the casino can refuse business with you if you do it (because your ability to count cards is not a protected class).


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Answering the question Is card counting illegal? is somewhat difficult, but the most appropriate answer at this moment in time is: as long as a card counter is only.


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One of the most common myths in gambling is that it's illegal to count cards in blackjack. Casinos hate it, but that doesn't make it illegal.


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Card counting itself is not illegal under Nevada gambling laws, but it is considered a felony to use devices to help count cards. The Nevada Gaming Control.


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Most casinos ask card counters to leave the property once discovered. Casino security guards may hassle you into leaving the table, ask you to.


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Is that all there is to it, or is there a valid gameplay justification for this? TimLymington: If casinos were "even money" against a handful of "best" players and favorites against everyone else, they'd be ok. Featured on Meta. That's just a theoretical construct. You wouldn't risk your money betting against someone with such an advantage would you? Active 5 years, 6 months ago. I believe that if you have won it legally, they cannot take it back. But card counters overcome this advantage by betting big on certain "good" hands and betting small on most other "bad" ones. As entertainment goes, not bad. Hot Network Questions. If you are too good you get thrown out. Card counting ISN'T illegal. What card counters do is to watch for a handful of situations that come up occasionally, where the player is favored. Well, the very odds of the game are per se in the casino's favour -- it turns out they're not a charity : If you want to play a fair game, simply don't go to a casino in the first place NeilCoffey: What you said is basically true, except that the best players can beat the game by varying their bets at appropriate times. As far as I can see, a card counter is still subject to the same mechanic as any other players, but they are able to perform better then most people within these confines. Some casinos use them, but most seem to prefer making a fuss about card counters. Question feed.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Needless to say, "trolling" and "table hopping," whether or not for the purpose of making money, while not illegal, are socially gauche. Meaning that if card counters were forced to "flat bet," they would lose. The new moderator agreement is now live for moderators to accept across the…. That's the point of counting cards. TomAu Or by "beat the game" do you mean beat the other players? You also know that one of those thousand is capable of card-counting. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}It only takes a minute to sign up. On one hand, gaming establishments have the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" "twenty-one". Card counters exploit a flaw in the game implementation which is not actually part of the rules of the game. Then they "jump" their bets by five or ten times to take advantage of these situations, and bet a "basic" unit at other times, shifting the odds in their favor. EpsilonVector: If casinos took bets where they didn't have an edge, they'd go out of business. So casinos will eject players for that kind of behavior alone, whether or not connected with card counting. Not gonna happen. Ask Question. TomAu But isn't that essentially if "the appropriate times" are derived by "card counting" or methods that the casino decides "aren't fair" on their scheme of making a living off an unfair game? OK this actually makes sense. Yes, even if the game was precisely even; the mathematics is interesting. Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. This is further reduced with fewer decks in the shoe. And the assumption is that most people would not engage in that kind of behavior unless they are card counting. On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law. This strategy calls for the big player to "table hop" in a seemingly random fashion but actually based on signals from his teammates. Continuous shuffling machines - but players and dealers hate those, claim that they destroy the atmosphere, etc. What card counters mostly do is to vary their bet sizes in their own favor. Tom Au Tom Au I heard that the house edge on a person playing by basic strategy was much lower than that; an eight-deck game with no additional rules benefiting the player like hitting split aces or dealer must hit soft 17 has a house edge of about. Card counting isn't considered illegal. I understand that. The rules of blackjack say nothing about dealing multiple hands from the same pre-shuffled stack - but that's exactly what makes card counting possible. I was under the impression that if all players play by what the casino deems are the accepted rules, then statistically, the players collectively are essentially bound to lose to the house. They are allowed to take "defensive" measures such as shuffling up after every deal. This case presents a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry. Linked 4. So why is card counting a justification for casinos to kick people out? Sounds like fraud to me. Card counter Kenny Uston won a court case in New Jersey that prohibits Atlantic City casinos from barring or harassing card counters. So "bet management" is a key skill in the game. Actually, it is not the "mechanic," that makes for card counting. EpsilonVector EpsilonVector 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 6 6 bronze badges. Unless you use a "device" such as a computer to do so in Nevada, which is a felony under Nevada law. Obviously, a card counter will cost them money, but if that is the only justification, then it's like the casino is cheating- they only allow sucky players to play. This flaw and thus card counting can actually be neutralized in two ways: Shuffling manually after each hand - but that slows down the game and thus reduces casino winnings on the game that already gives them a rather small house edge. This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. Michael Borgwardt Michael Borgwardt 2 2 bronze badges. See my answer below. Asked 7 years, 3 months ago. But Nevada courts do tend to side with the casinos for economic reasons. Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house. Active Oldest Votes. You'd stick with the odds, and play only the other A perfectly sensible and logical position, which is, in essence, the same position the casino takes. This is a form of "trolling. As a slightly off topic followup, do casinos typically let you keep what you won if they do catch you card counting? Sign up to join this community. It is some fraction of 1 percent depending on house rules against a "skilled" player who plays optimally but doesn't vary his bets based on card-counting. Viewed 91k times. Why is card counting considered illegal in Blackjack? The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. You have a few advantages, but also have to play by strict and predictable conventions, but the thousand can play in any manner they choose. Feedback post: New moderator reinstatement and appeal process revisions. Only if you've used a counting device, or properly cheated etc, but then they also throw you in jail after taking back the money : Of course, there's nothing to say you aren't going to suffer a few accidents "falling down the stairs" on your way out of the casino I'm still not convinced. They may have the right to choose not to play with you, but the games in which they did play with you should be considered legitimate, right? Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. Casinos pretend that they let you gamble in a game that has certain rules, but if you use skill to win, then you are not allowed to play, even if you play within the confines of those rules. It is negative against a skilled card counter who varies his bets. KeithS: It used to be more like 0.